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  • Judy Evans
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19 Feb 2024 14:35 #1 by Judy Evans
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Totally tongue in cheek - as well as encouraging his wife to stay behind the helm “if all else fails” and let him do it 😜

Judy

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  • Balliol Fowden
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19 Feb 2024 14:19 #2 by Balliol Fowden
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Not quite like that Judy but I won't go into the detail since the suggestion was rather tongue in cheek!

John: you will of course have to think about a suitable bracket for the outboard. In many ways if you could borrow a dinghy that might be easier. It would lash up nice and tight against the stern and alongside the rudder. Either way, bracket or dinghy, as Peter says the outboard won't do a lot in reverse unless pretty powerful : they are not usually propped for efficiency in reverse. It will just be a case of taking it nice and steady with perhaps somebody on the bank to make sure all the locks are ready, catch lines etc.

Best of luck,

Balliol.

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  • Judy Evans
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19 Feb 2024 09:50 #3 by Judy Evans
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You mean like this?!

Stan, the friendly VNF “lockie” from Mailly helping us in 2019. However, I remained at the helm ☺️

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  • John Eakins
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19 Feb 2024 09:01 #4 by John Eakins
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Hi 
Many thanks to you both for your suggestions and encouragement.
The boatyard will be either 50 or 160 kms away depending on the mechanics responses.
I do have a big rudder which projects from the stern so should be good for attaching an outboard.
I have also reached out (notice my up to date terminology!) to the Friesian Skutsjeseilen association for advice. I have always found the Dutch so helpful that I am sure I will get a few responses.
As suggested if all else fails I am sure my good wife will fill the role as shown on the attached photo!
Regards
John

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  • Peter Cawson
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18 Feb 2024 19:04 #5 by Peter Cawson
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And in the absence of an outboard, or a dinghy, or a horse. perhaps get the family kitted out and do the job the tried and tested way!



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18 Feb 2024 18:53 #6 by Balliol Fowden
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Peter Cawson wrote: Is there any chance that the yard where you plan to get your engine fixed may have an outboard motor you could borrow?  Towing is pretty unsatisfactory as you have no breaks!  An alongside dinghy may be better, but perhaps troublesome in locks.

The racing Friesland skutsjes seem to favour outboards rather than built-in lumps and these are often quite small (the one in the photo is 9.9 HP), fixed directly to their large rudders.  Otherwise a deck-mounted bracket could be designed so an aft- or side-mounted engine could be fixed low enough to provide good grip.    Good luck


Yes indeed! The first barge I ever steered as a 14 year old lad was horse drawn, back in the late sixties, but the same owner had also used a 4HP Seagull Century Plus to move one 75' x 14' barge all the way from London to Berkhamsted, with the outboard bracketed on the rudder. 

We (the owner and me as a lad) did the same trip again with another similar barge and a 16HP McCulloch outboard. It was the lad's job to climb down onto the rudder to stop & start the engine at each lock. In both cases the engines pushed the barge along OK (but no G forces involved in the acceleration!) but as with most outboards the stopping power was minimal so one adopted the horse towage principle of "whoa" and drifted up to the locks, strapping the barge to a halt as necessary.

One of the common ways to motorise a Dutch sailing barge back in the 1920's and even much later later was to use a small tugboat ("Opduwer") lashed tightly under the stern, with an arrangement of ropes to control gear and speed functions. That saved Mrs. Bargee losing accommodation to a smelly noisy diesel engine.

But anecdotes aside, a distinct possibility could be to beg or borrow a dinghy with outboard and lash it to the stern/rudder. On quiet canals this is likely to work fine. I still do the same when recovering sunken or otherwise disabled boats: we lash a small boat (dinghy with outboard) to the stern and push the narrowboat or barge to its destination. It doesn't take much power, just a little care.

One (sadly late) DBA member had a gearbox failure and bow-hauled his 24mtr barge some distance to a repairer. Not sure of the distance but he did it, and if it is a heavily locked canal that can be the easiest way.

Balliol.

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  • Peter Cawson
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17 Feb 2024 23:52 #7 by Peter Cawson
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Is there any chance that the yard where you plan to get your engine fixed may have an outboard motor you could borrow?  Towing is pretty unsatisfactory as you have no breaks!  An alongside dinghy may be better, but perhaps troublesome in locks.

The racing Friesland skutsjes seem to favour outboards rather than built-in lumps and these are often quite small (the one in the photo is 9.9 HP), fixed directly to their large rudders.  Otherwise a deck-mounted bracket could be designed so an aft- or side-mounted engine could be fixed low enough to provide good grip.    Good luck



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  • John Eakins
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17 Feb 2024 12:39 #8 by John Eakins
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Hi

My 16.5 metre Dutch Skutsje is currently moored in Digoin on the Canal du Centre with a broken engine. I need to get it to Montceau les Mines (50 kilometers) for it to be repaired - it is a big job so cannot be done in Digoin as there are no suitable boatyards there. 
I am looking to see if any one could provide a tow. All  expenses , of course, would be covered.
Alternatively I have been told that an outboard motor could possibly do the job - so if there was one to rent in the area I would be interested
Many thanks
John 

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